08-4-2011 at 7:35 PM

A biscuit is cheap considering if you have one or two capped dogs you can make that in a few shows minimal effort. Truthfully all of my beast show dogs have come from Crevan, they are all spay/neuter, while I make way more than enough to make them breedible again Crevan trust me not too. However, its impossible to put that same amount of trust in people you do not know super well.<br /> <br /> Think of it this way, would you rather have a 9000k dog to trail until it dies [making you loads of cash] but is perma spay/neuter.<br /> <br /> Or would you rather have a 1000k dog that is good to trail for a while, and is breedible.<br /> <br /> <br /> Personally I would always opt for the high tp neutered dog. Frankly its worth much more to me, moreso now that the trials have had an increase. Just one 9000k dog makes loads more than a trial full of 1000k dogs. <br /> <br /> But, sense people who have hit the cap can't trust that their pups would be uneutered and bred, well they just are not going to be selling any of those pups. I mean, if you wanted capped dogs a perma spay/neutered one is about the only other way besides putting forth the effort to get their yourself, and lets face it not everyone has the means to feasibly do this.

08-4-2011 at 7:25 PM

I think it's rather simple for people to just not buy an altered dog if they don't believe trialing or the beauty of the dog is worth it *shrugs*<br /> <br /> Personally, I would love to buy 5k+ dogs of breeds I don't breed for myself, and I wouldn't use it for breeding, I'd gladly just use it for showing and decorating purposes. Maybe that's just me and a select few others. Regardless, if the permanent spay/neuter was added those who don't want to buy a permanently spayed/neutered dog obviously don't have to buy it. :3<br /> <br /> They don't need to buy two biscuits, either. They would just need to buy the dog and intend to breed it to the gender it will be opposite of once a biscuit is used on it. And 55k is not much to pay to get TP capped litters.<br /> <br /> <br /> Edit:::<br /> <br /> I think maybe, to avoid the "accidental" issues, there could be an option for the original breeder to unspay/unneuter the dog they bred if it was permanently spayed/neutered, and only THEY can do it. That way if they accidentally perma'd and didn't mean to, or their dogs ended up not selling while permanently spayed/neutered they'd have the option to undo it.

08-4-2011 at 5:12 PM

At least support for the idea of there being a permanent spay/neuter option. I'm not sure if I agree with it being in the Breeder Perk or not, though.<br /> <br /> Some breeders prefer to spay/neuter their dogs in order to keep clean lines and to prevent players from breeding unmaxed dogs. However, they still want to offer their dogs for trialing, and naturally, to make a profit. Currently, you can simply use a dog biscuit to unspay/unneuter a spayed/neutered dog. So, this doesn't guarantee the lines will stay clean and strong. Most breeders end up retiring their dogs because they don't want to risk their lines being messed up due to breeding, while if they could have a permanent spay/neuter feature, they would likely sell their dogs to other players. <br /> <br /> A permanent spay/neuter feature doesn't prevent trialing.

08-4-2011 at 10:56 AM

I have to disagree with a dog being "useless" if it can't breed. A huge majority of my dogs have never been bred, only shown :3 I've bought a few maxed dogs and never bred them myself, only trialed them, and made about double what I paid for them, even.<br /> <br /> This site is about trialing, I will agree with that. But you dont need a dog to breed in order for it to be a good trial dog.

08-4-2011 at 10:48 AM

No support. Alacrity is based around breeding and running trials. To make a dog permanently neutered/spayed would make no sense because if you sold it and it can't be un-fixed.... that dog is pretty much useless now except for trailing until it dies.<br>I think if you don't want someone buying your dogs and breeding them, don't sell publicly or put anybody who doesn't breed to your standard on your no-sell list.<br><br>Also, if someone wants to breed the dog they will have to purchase TWO dog biscuits for 10 bones or 110K. It's just too big of a hurdle IMO for most irresponsible breeders.

07-26-2011 at 9:38 PM

Support.<br /> <br /> I do not sell any dog over 1k TP ever. Even though I have several maxed dogs I would like to sell to players as show dogs I can not trust that they would be unneutered and puppy milled to make dozens of similar TP dogs, making my efforts a waste.<br /> <br /> If there as a permanent spay/neuter I would sell higher TP dogs for other people to trial and make money, even maxed ones. But as it stands now I just can't because of people being able to use a biscuit on them :C

07-26-2011 at 3:56 PM

The accidental purchasing wouldn't be such a big deal - it'd say "Permanently spayed/neutered" and perhaps it could say this when you are searching as well so you don't think the dog is still male/female and untouched. And, accidental purchases do happen, and that's why you need to pay close attention to a dog before buying it. But I do think this needs to be fixed so the searching menu also shows the spay/neuter.<br /> <br /> As for me, seeing as I have dogs that have hit the TP cap and I'd love to auction one off, yes, this is a big thing for me. There are very few people I would trust wouldn't breed the dog, so spaying/neutering would be a good option, however, as of right now, I can't even do that. <br /> <br /> Usually once I get over 2k TP, I don't sell dogs. I don't want people to skip all the hard work I put into my lines and be able to instantly breed high TP dogs with only needing to train that one high TP dog. And as of right now Spay/neuter is of no help so I usually don't sell anything at all and I do retire all my pups. I'm searching for a solution for me, and others in the same predicament as me, to not need to retire all the pups ^^;

07-26-2011 at 1:35 PM

I don't spay/neuter often, so I have no idea - do people use magical dog biscuits on the offspring you intentionally fixed very often? If this was only a once in a blue moon occurrence, I don't think it would warrant an irreversible fixing option. If it happens, say, a quarter of the time, then I think it would be worth the suggestion.<br /> <br /> Like Df0, I'm on the fence. I can see how you might not want your line bred if you have gorgeous customs or a very high TP. Or if you've already bred the dog a lot but you want to sell it. However, I've always felt for my dogs that if someone invests the money for a magical dog biscuit, then they're going to be a good breeder. They care enough to plan it out.

07-26-2011 at 11:44 AM

No support. too often you accidentally buy a neutered dog - at least I do - and need it biscuited to be useful again. If you don't want your dogs bred, retire them.

07-10-2011 at 3:27 AM

Support<br />

07-10-2011 at 12:43 AM

Support

07-9-2011 at 10:50 PM

Support the breeding perk idea.

07-9-2011 at 9:28 PM

Added that to the top, the permanent thing for breeder's perk :3 I think it's an excellent happy medium :D

07-9-2011 at 9:27 PM

I think the biscuit should be left as it is - people have already invested in them for the intended purpose - and they do serve a purpose. <br /> <br /> However I do think breeders should have the ability to permanently fix their offspring where the biscuit does not work to reverse it. It should only be an option to the breeders that produce the pet.

07-9-2011 at 9:23 PM

I'm kinda on the fence about this. I support it for the fact, some people don't want their puppies bred, but at the same time there are some wonderful dogs that end up in the pound, and accidents happen, and so i'd hate for it to be 'irreversible'.<br /> <br /> I'm not sure who you could satisfy both sides here x3 Maybe an option that the breeder can permanently make their dog fixed? instead of taking away from the pound and accident dogs?